What Is an "Expectation of Privacy"? Postal Vehicle Cameras Exposed!

Updated on September 25, 2019
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Mailman Mel Carriere is not a lawyer, nor a photographer. Yet he writes on these subjects with a smooth veneer of authority. Hmm...

With the installation of Postal Vehicle Cameras, is there anything that will pause the post office from perusing your previously protected perch?
With the installation of Postal Vehicle Cameras, is there anything that will pause the post office from perusing your previously protected perch? | Source

Being Candid About Cameras

A recent perusal of letter carrier Facebook group pages reveals a lot of nervous chatter about vehicle cameras, a phenomenon backed up by photographic evidence. The shots of the snooping gadgets being deployed are not fuzzy or overexposed as other mythological beasts, such as those blurry mid-sixties snapshots of Bigfoot or Nessy. No, they are indisputably clear, hanging in plain sight on Long Life Vehicle (LLV) side view mirrors, and also where the rear view mirror would be, if you actually needed one because you had a back window.

Mail men and mail ladies across the country are worried about this disturbing development, of course, concerned that they are going to be caught on candid camera picking their nose or scratching some sensitive spot, shucking a layer on a fickle February day, or clearing a sweat wedgie on a hot August afternoon.

Therefore, as much as I would love to report to the contrary, the rumors are more than unjustified paranoia. Vehicle cameras are being tested by the Postal service, and it only remains to be seen when and to what extent they will be installed, and whether and on what grounds the National Association of Letter Carriers (NALC) Union will be able to fight them. The impending implementation also begs the question of whether or not this unwanted intrusion constitutes an invasion of privacy. A more fundamental query yet is if an expectation privacy even exists for a letter carrier inside a postal-owned vehicle.

The cameras being deployed are not so fuzzy or overexposed as those used to capture other mythological beasts, such as Nessy here. No, the postal vehicle cameras have been caught hanging in plain sight on LLV mirrors.
The cameras being deployed are not so fuzzy or overexposed as those used to capture other mythological beasts, such as Nessy here. No, the postal vehicle cameras have been caught hanging in plain sight on LLV mirrors. | Source

Double Your Pleasure - Twin Camera Initiatives

It would be stimulating, saucy, and satisfying to report a George Noorey after dark conspiracy on the issue of postal vehicle cameras. I would love to unveil secret holes being drilled in the roofs of LLVs, used by Postal Inspectors to implant hidden lenses that take Peeping Tom snapshots of letter carriers, captured in revealing poses. Unfortunately for the scoop factor of my article, however, it seems like the USPS made its intentions known ahead of time, for once. In the August, 2019 edition of the Postal Record, Director of City Delivery Christopher Jackson reported that the Postal Service had notified the National Association of Letter Carriers (NALC) of its intent to test the use of video cameras in two different initiatives, which are as follows:

As per Mr. Jackson in the Postal Record:

"The first test initiative will evaluate the feasibility of using video technology to verify data collected relating to city carrier street activities. This test uses 360-degree external cameras, internal cameras and GPS technology to validate data collected by the MDD. The video testing lasted for approximately 30 days in two USPS selected test sites. USPS is gathering results from the testing to determine whether the video obtained can be applied to verify letter carrier street activity. (italics mine) "

Sounds rather ominous, doesn't it? I don't think the portion I italicized about "verify letter carrier street activity" can be interpreted in any way other than that the Postal Service will be using the camera to spy on you. Yes they are substituting the friendly word verify for the much more ominous, intrusive, Big-brotherish monitor, as if to say that gosh darn Mel is doing such a good job but let's just verify it so we can give him an award, or at least a pat on the back.

But make no mistake that these cameras will be used to monitor, to make sure you are doing what you are supposed to be doing, working, not frittering away your undertime talking, playing Words With Friends, or writing subversive articles on your phone. Also, note how the cameras will be used to validate data collected by the MDD scanner. This means that if your butt ain´t in the same place as the scanner you are going to have to answer the question of - why did you leave the scanner where it is supposed to be while you sashayed off to somewhere you´re not supposed to be?

The second USPS initiative sounds a little less threatening than the first, but don´t be fooled. Per the Postal Record, this one:

"... is designed to test the feasibility of using video and GPS technology to reduce vehicle collisions and to assist in identifying driver risks and causes of vehicle damage. The video recorder will capture the location, speed and direction of the delivery vehicle in the event of a collision, or if unusual driving activities are detected."

While these ¨collision¨ cameras could also be potentially damaging to the letter carrier, I can see how they could be used for good instead of evil. As a mailman who has been involved in a he-said/she-said dispute with a customer over allegedly striking a vehicle, it would have been sweet vindication to have photographic evidence to clear me from that customer with glowing dollar signs in the eyeballs. Then again, I am sure that same "vehicle collision" camera could also be used to watch you chillin´ on the back bumper because you're trying to avoid the camera pointed at the driver's seat.

Many human letter carriers would echo this avian carrier´s response to cameras.
Many human letter carriers would echo this avian carrier´s response to cameras. | Source

Can They Do That?

For me, the camera fuss started one morning a few weeks ago, when I was kickin it in the swing room prior to clocking in. One among our regular swing room roundtable members mentioned having seen a story about the postal vehicle cameras, perhaps the same article I quoted above. In response, another letter carrier in the back of the room immediately took umbrage.

¨They can´t do that!¨ he shouted.

My immediate reaction was to roll my eyes, my morning zen having been ruptured by what I considered an ill-considered, knee jerk response.

¨I think they can do that,¨ I answered.

¨What do you mean? That´s an invasion of privacy!¨

¨These are postal vehicles,¨ I said, ¨not your personal vehicle. There´s no expectation of privacy.¨

In retrospect, I wonder if maybe my self assured comeback to my coworker´s unfounded angst was equally knee jerk. As I thought about and researched the topic, I began to ask whether the Postal Service really can do that - do they have the legal right to install these invasive ¨verification¨ devices, or does a theoretical ¨expectation of privacy¨ prevent them from doing so? Furthermore, even if the law recognizes no expectation of privacy in these circumstances, are there other factors that may impede the mail delivery behemoth from snooping in on that snug little driving compartment, the safe place where you used to hide from management for the six to seven hours it takes to deliver your route?

The interior of the postal vehicle becomes our cozy home away from home, feathered to our liking, and we resent any intrusion upon this comfortable little nest.
The interior of the postal vehicle becomes our cozy home away from home, feathered to our liking, and we resent any intrusion upon this comfortable little nest. | Source

How Profound Can They Probe?

First of all, what is an expectation of privacy and do you even have one at work at all, especially within the friendly confines of your postal vehicle? There is no doubt that whether you own or rent, the law protects you from being filmed without your consent in the sanctity of your own home. But what about the workplace? Is there anything that shields you from prying eyes while on or in the property of the business or organization that employs you, particularly in the vehicle you drive?

If you have worked at the post office long enough you should know you are occasionally being watched by Postal Inspectors, ensconced in their rubber room in the rafters, that secret viewing gallery shielded by mirrors that you cannot see past, but the prying eyes on the other side can definitely watch you from. Postal employees seem to accept the presence of these wildlife blinds without complaint, even though they were put in place to make sure the animals in the zoo behave themselves. In fact, like the Gombe chimpanzees being studied by Jane Goodall for decades on end, after working at a Post Office for decades on end a postal employee tends to forget the spy booths are even there.

But to letter carriers, the interior of a postal vehicle feels like a more intimate, private locale than the workroom floor, and the mailman or lady assigned to the particular vehicle of a particular route for an extended period of time tends to take a proprietary shine to it. We get angered when another carrier leaves trash on the floor, rubber bands hanging from the turn signal, or even when some unwashed brute leaves their foul, lingering body odor behind in ¨our¨ vehicle. The interior of our postal buggy is a cozy home away from home, feathered to our liking, and we resent any intrusion upon it.

But does our sense of ownership have any legal standing? Can we claim squatters rights inside the LLV? The answer is complicated. Workplace privacy in general is governed by the business owner´s privacy policy, which an employee typically accepts as a condition of employment. Such a privacy policy can never condone filming you in the restroom, dressing room, or break room, nor does it typically allow access to your personal belongings. But in common-area workplace locales, the expectation of privacy becomes more ambiguous and often depends on the state in which you live, the type of organization you work for, and any labor agreements your employer may be governed by.

The post office can certainly monitor the source and duration of calls made on its land line phones, but not record them. It can keep track of internet activity on its network to check if you are browsing for legitimate work purposes or just goofing off, but it cannot read the content of your personal emails. Like other employers, the postal service can also search your locker, the law recognizing that workplace equipment belongs to the employer. As such, outside of the aforementioned protected locales, no expectation of privacy exists at work.

The Postal Service, along with other employers, also has a right to use video cameras, as long as a legitimate business reason exists for them, such as monitoring for theft or, I suppose, checking that letter carriers are driving safely. In some cases, the law actually encourages vehicle cameras. For instance, the Occupational Safety and Health Act (OSHA), urges employers to have a program in place that discourages distracted driving. But workplace cameras cannot be used to monitor Union activity, or to intimidate employees from joining a Union. In fact, because of Federal wiretapping laws, audio on such cameras is for the most part avoided. Furthermore, employees must be informed that the cameras are in use, and video surveillance cannot single out a particular employee or group of employees. It must be used equally across the board, without discrimination.

The privacy expectation, or lack thereof, that is recognized in the employer´s building, generally extends to the vehicle fleet. As long as employees are aware the filming is occurring, there is no invasion of privacy involved with putting cameras in the carpool.

One potential avenue of relief from prying eyes is The National Labor Relations Act (NLRA). This legislation dictates that video surveillance cannot be used by Unionized organizations, without first bargaining with its employees. ¨I´m safe!¨ you exclaim from your hidden haven, the crusty cushions of your fossilized LLV. ¨I belong to the NALC, so they have to talk it over with me first!¨

Don´t start your victory twerks just yet. The NLRA does not apply to the employees of state, local, or federal government, and I think that includes you.

Unfortunately, my dear fellow mailmen and mail ladies of America, there does not seem to be a lot of hope in pausing the Postal Peeping Toms from perusing your perch.

We´ve looked at postal vehicle cameras from both sides now.
We´ve looked at postal vehicle cameras from both sides now. | Source

Are You Hip on HIPAA?

In doing my due diligence for this article, I attempted to poll NALC contract experts in Facebook land on the subject of vehicle cameras, to see if there is any language in the contract that the Union can use to fight their installation. I did not get as much feedback as I would have liked, either because non-buoyant Mel does not float to the top of people´s Facebook feeds, because nobody is really sure, or because, like when you ask your Mom if you can eat cookies before dinner, smart people just assume you know the answer is ¨NO," so let´s not be stupid about it.

I am grateful for the scattered responses I did receive. These comments provide encouragement that the Union is going to fight the implementation of the cameras, a topic discussed at a recent NALC rap session. One speculated path of resistance proposed at this meeting of the minds revolved around the provisions of HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act), a 1996 law that safeguards medical information.

Specifically, the issue of prescriptions was discussed at said rap session. Postal employees who are required to take medications at certain times could have their privacy violated by the roving eye in the sky, peeking down to read their prescription labels. Since the HIPAA privacy rule requires the protection of personal health information, letter carriers popping their pills at the appropriate times could have their legal rights violated.

Is this a reach? Who knows - the Facebook jury seemed hung. But on a non-HIPAA but very relevant note, I ask the question of who is going to be monitoring the monitors? WIll the vehicle cameras turn into some postal pervie´s private peep show? Will male managers be snooping in regularly on female letter carriers they ¨deem desirable,¨ or will there be nice watchdogs up in snoop central that will keep the slobbering dogs locked in the kennel? This eventuality is an aspect of the camera implementation the Union should certainly negotiate, because the seeds of abuse could be sowed in very fertile soil here.

Every angle is covered.  Retreating to the rear is not an option.
Every angle is covered. Retreating to the rear is not an option. | Source

Let Your LLV Turn Into a Pumpkin, It´s Not Your Problem

In the interest of moving the mail, then returning back before the clock strikes the dreaded witching hour of 5 or 6 PM, letter carriers have been known to shave a 10 minute break here or there. That´s okay, you say, I´ll make it up later, I´ll get it back when the mail is light tomorrow. It all evens out in the end. Of course, I am speaking from hearsay and speculation, I would never engage in or encourage this practice myself, wink wink.

But if Big Brother´s eye is going to be watching you in the shady interior compartment of your vehicle from now on, preventing you from taking those extra five minute ¨hydration breaks¨ along your route on light days, if no consideration is going to be given to your privacy, then it is time to stop being considerate toward the numbers your supervisor wants to make. If a ten minute break is going to push you beyond your expected return time, text on your scanner that you are not going to make the required time, then let management deal with it, which is their job.

Ninety percent of carriers are honest, and they give away a lot more time than they take back. But if letter carriers cannot work with management on the honor system because we have the prying eyes in the sky bearing down on us - if, heretofore, our every move is going to be monitored, then it is time to start doing everything by the book. If postal management has a right to film you, you also have a right to two ten minute breaks and a half hour lunch every day, and you should take them, every day. Not a minute over, not a minute less, even if it means the wicked stepmother might yell at you when you get back from the ball late.

Although the Union may grieve the vehicle cameras based on several legitimate sounding arguments, I suspect that we are stuck with them. The USPS typically sneaks in new programs like this rapidly and under cover of night, doing an end run around the bargaining process, presenting the Union with a fait accompli after the damage is already done. The Postal Service´s strategy is to implement a business practice unilaterally, then keep it in place until the arbitrators sort it out, in this case effectively saying Hey, the cameras are already up and running boys and girls, can't take ´em down now. They have gotten away with it in the past, and I suspect they will get away with it again.

But the honest men and women among us need not fret. Just as when management started tracking our movements via scanner GPS, letter carriers that give an honest day´s work in exchange for an honest day´s pay have nothing to fear. The cameras may indict people doing something improper, illegal, or irregular, and frankly they deserve it if they do, but the cameras can also vindicate the falsely accused.

Postal Vehicle cameras are a double-edged sword. Wise letter carriers will learn to accommodate themselves to being spied upon, just as we have adapted to every other knee-jerk, half-baked, hare-brained scheme previously foisted upon us.

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      • Mel Carriere profile imageAUTHOR

        Mel Carriere 

        3 weeks ago from San Diego California

        Thank you Neal

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        Neal 

        3 weeks ago from Oxnard

        Yes, I can. I will add "http://melcarriere.blogspot.com/" to your article.

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        Mel Carriere 

        3 weeks ago from San Diego California

        Thank you Neal I appreciate any exposure I can get. Can you also put a link to my website, melcarriere. blogspot.com?

        Thanks for your great addition to the discussion retired mailman buddy of mine.

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        Neal 

        4 weeks ago from Oxnard

        Mel, I'm going to post an abridged version of your article in our newsletter,,,,you must be psychic. Here is notice from our NBA that I am including.

        Postscript: USPS Correspondence 4492, September 3, 2019 reports that USPS has initiated testing of smart sensor and camera technology. This testing is designed to incorporate cameras and OPS devices for the purpose of detecting and reporting road conditions. USPS will be testing this technology in Promaster, Flex Fuel, and Long Life vehicles in Naperville, Illinois, 60540 from September 22 through October 31, 2019. Carriers will operate test vehicles while performing their street duties.

      • Mel Carriere profile imageAUTHOR

        Mel Carriere 

        5 weeks ago from San Diego California

        As a retired rural carrier Al, I'm sure you know the rurals are using postal owned vehicles more and more. In my office they exclusively use postal vehicles. Therefore, I think this subject applies to your craft as well.

        Thanks for reading. Always good to find postal people here.

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        Mel Carriere 

        5 weeks ago from San Diego California

        Thank you Besarien. Unless the democrats get a clue really fast, and I don't think they will, I think we will have Trump four more years.

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        Al Parish 

        5 weeks ago

        As a retired Rural Carrier, forgive me for inserting on a mostly City Carrier topic...but. Really if you are doing your job I wouldn't be worried about the camera. Plus it may help with those all too frequent customer interactions when they call to say the carrier was rude. However, what I most want to relate is how the PO almost always finds ways to spend money in areas less productive. for instance...they need a fleet of new vehicles far greater than they need cameras.

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        Besarien 

        5 weeks ago from South Florida

        Mel, I think you are right that Trump appeals to a lot of people on a very dark level they don't always admit having in public. The love for him on the internet suggests this, as do the 2016 election results. If you couple this with "voting irregularities" and the natural benefits of running as an incumbent, it is bound to be tight if it goes the other way.

      • Mel Carriere profile imageAUTHOR

        Mel Carriere 

        5 weeks ago from San Diego California

        I am not as confident that Trump will not be reelected. You might not hear about it over there, but I live it, and I know he has a lot of fans that are afraid to talk about him, but will go to the polls and vote for him.

        I will keep the Guy Fawkes mask on ice while you go and get the powder keg ready.

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        Ann Carr 

        5 weeks ago from SW England

        I find it terrible that they all shout at each other and never listen - it used to be an orderly place even when it was colourful but they've lost the plot now.

        I don't understand your political system at all but I'm hoping that Trump will not be re-elected. I find it alarming that such a person is in charge of the most powerful nation in the world!

        I greatly appreciate your support and I might take you up on the offer of the Guy Fawkes mask!

        Ann

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        Mel Carriere 

        5 weeks ago from San Diego California

        My son has a Guy Fawkes mask if you want to borrow it. I find it entertaining listening to your Parliamentary proceedings, with everybody shouting at each other. In comparison, our Congress is so calm and everybody plays by the rules of order, with nobody interrupting. Pretty boring. I wish you all the best, over there.

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        Ann Carr 

        5 weeks ago from SW England

        Thank you, Mel, that is much appreciated.

        It's true that there are many misrepresentations of the news here and even our own BBC is biased these days, it seems, and doesn't have so many good reporters any more.

        We are just carrying on with our lives as normal, hoping that our sorry excuse for a government here can sort things out eventually. Everyone is fed up with it and doesn't trust any of them. Chuck them all out and start again, I say. Now where is that Guy Fawkes when we need him?!

        Ann

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        Mel Carriere 

        5 weeks ago from San Diego California

        Ann, learning how things work on the other side of the pond is always fascinating to me because all we have here to tell us how things are going over there is the media, and they mostly lie. And I don't even make that claim from a pro Trump perspective, because he's as big a faker as it gets.

        Anyhow, I'll calm down now, and cease to rant. I wish you happy sailing through Brexit. Any American who can pinpoint Great Britain on the map really loves the British, and we wish you well.

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        Ann Carr 

        6 weeks ago from SW England

        It's much the same as privacy issues here but basically if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.

        However, I must admit that sometimes I do feel Big Brother goes too far. I suppose we must weigh up the pros and cons and mostly go with the flow.

        I don't know about our postal vans here in Britain but I wouldn't be surprised if they have the same, if not similar, 'facilities'.

        Interesting.

        Ann

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        Mel Carriere 

        6 weeks ago from San Diego California

        Mills, unlike you, who probably works for a reasonably efficient company, postal employees are quite accustomed to having technology malfunction at inopportune moments. Our entire business model revolves around outdated technology. We can only hope for a technological malfunction with the cameras, but this will probably be the one case where everything works right.

        I appreciate you dropping in.

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        Pat Mills 

        6 weeks ago from East Chicago, Indiana

        Security seems to be ramping up everywhere. My workplace hasn't been setting up new cameras, but now we have to use our badges to access places we used to access without badges. It's good to restrict the access of visitors, but I hope the technology doesn't malfunction at an inopportune moment. Of course, I'm sure the unscrupulous ones in your ranks will look for away around the cameras.

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        Mel Carriere 

        6 weeks ago from San Diego California

        Thank you James you bring up interesting points. First of all, I did not know you could Über in a rented vehicle. Secondly, I think the difference here is that the vehicle you drive does not belong to Über so I can't see how they could legally install cameras on it, even for accident purposes. There are still a lot of gray areas, however, that need to be worked out with rideshare services. I appreciate the thought provoking comment.

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        Mel Carriere 

        6 weeks ago from San Diego California

        Thank you Devika you made me laugh a little. I had not thought of it as fun before but I guess it could be if you make it. I appreciate you dropping in.

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        James C Moore 

        6 weeks ago from The Great Midwest

        Mel,

        1)You're in their vehicle, 2) The Post Office makes a good case for legitimate business reason for cameras, 3) The cameras would be visible.

        Looks like you'll be getting legally watched. I've been dealing with cameras in the workplace going back to the '90s. But, this is with me in physical workplace buildings. I wonder if Uber has something like this in mind. All of my rideshare driving has been in leased or rented vehicles.

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        Devika Primić 

        6 weeks ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

        Wow! You are on camera and sound crazy to me. The constant check up on you must be annoying and fun at times

      • Mel Carriere profile imageAUTHOR

        Mel Carriere 

        6 weeks ago from San Diego California

        Thank you Linda for dropping in. It is a bit unnerving to think about someone watching me. I'll have to be more self conscious about everything I do now.

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        Linda Crampton 

        6 weeks ago from British Columbia, Canada

        This is an interesting article, Mel. I would hate being filmed while I was at work. I hope things work out for the best for letter carriers.

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        Mel Carriere 

        6 weeks ago from San Diego California

        Thank you Road Monkey. The beauty of being a letter carrier, prior to this, was freedom. As long as you got your work done without being problematic about it, you rarely saw a supervisor. In contrast, in the office supervisors are always breathing down the clerks necks. It looks like now that letter carriers will be micromanaged as well.

        I appreciate you dropping in.

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        RoadMonkey 

        6 weeks ago

        I suppose it's the same as sitting in an open plan office all day to do your work. I wouldn't like a camera on me all day. But I didn't like working in an open plan office, either.

      • Mel Carriere profile imageAUTHOR

        Mel Carriere 

        6 weeks ago from San Diego California

        Never a dull moment.

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        Eric Dierker 

        6 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

        Bubba are we having fun yet?!

      • Mel Carriere profile imageAUTHOR

        Mel Carriere 

        6 weeks ago from San Diego California

        Eric you make an excellent point. I think a California employee is entitled to do whatever they want on break or lunch, even scratch their tuckas. One time seeing my wrinkled old butt on film, showing them the dark side of the moon on my break, and I don´t think they would ever tune into the Mel show again. That is definitely something you cannot unsee.

        One time I went to the Chula Vista courthouse to investigate something, wearing a dress shirt and tie. Some lady asked me if I was a lawyer. I should have said yes, but you know humble little old me just had to tell the truth. I believe I have a lawyerly look, but I was too cool for school.

        On a more important note, I cannot believe that cute mail lady on your route has not bid out after all these years of you leering at her. You must have that certain je ne sais quoi. If I had a cutie delivering to my house, I would have had a restraining order years ago.

        Thanks for taking the time to read and then write your great comment.

      • Mel Carriere profile imageAUTHOR

        Mel Carriere 

        6 weeks ago from San Diego California

        Bill, cameras have been busting letter carriers a lot lately, because even without these vehicle cameras the eye in the sky is everywhere, and mailmen are a juicy target. The problem is that cameras cannot interpret context. They can only see what happened inside the range of the lens, not what happened before a person actually steps into that range. Thanks for dropping in, my friend.

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        Mel Carriere 

        6 weeks ago from San Diego California

        Besarien, I´m on my way to apply for a SAG card right now, even though I´m no Thespian. Problem is, I think only the folks upstairs in the rubber room have access to the video. I think we should point the cameras back at them, to find out what their lazy lard butts are doing all day. That might get better ratings.

        Thanks so much for dropping by.

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        Eric Dierker 

        6 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

        Mel, an excellent read and I see no reason not to license you as a lawyer.

        I see your concerns. I am interested in the mandatory - CA State law on breaks - I think at least a half hour lunch - you read then, hmm should they know what you read - is Tom Sawyer outlawed? And I think two 15 minute breaks per 8 hours. Can you scratch your whatever then?

        But here is my beef - it would mean that they film me. Now I have an expectation of privacy. When I hug my letter carrier or give her water or chat her up. I do not want to be filmed. I definitely do not when I oogle at her through my window with ill begotten thoughts.

        And just as a side note --can they spy on you when you take a pee under a tree -- no bathroom cameras allowed!

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        Bill Holland 

        6 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

        Besarien's comment is hilarious.

        Big Brother is, and has been, watching for quite some time. My 60's upbringing springs to the front immediately. Anytime the government has an inkling to poke its nose into our lives, I get worried. Call me paranoid, but I don't like any of it when it involves the Federal Government.

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        Besarien 

        6 weeks ago from South Florida

        Are cameras suitably shaped for hanging artwork or spare items of uniform? Would it be frowned upon to use the lens as a bubble gum holder? How about special effects lens films like fly-eye, disco ball, black hole, or kaleidoscope? Can you turn your own feed into a Youtube channel or edit parts of it for America's Funniest Videos, or does it all belong to the PS? If it belongs to them, and you get a SAG card does that entitle you to actor's scale on top of your letter carrier pay? Now, that could really add up. What about royalties? How about agents' fees? I have so many questions about this!

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        Mel Carriere 

        6 weeks ago from San Diego California

        Thank you Pamela for your delightful visit. I think the point is to squeeze as much blood as possible from us postal turnips, to save as much money as possible by forcing us to help on down routes. The postal service is in its rights to want us to fill our working hours actually working, not hiding in the driver´s seat, but the clever swines will find workarounds, whereas the honest injuns will wind up bearing the load, as usual.

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        Pamela Oglesby 

        6 weeks ago from Sunny Florida

        I can see why honest postal carriers would not like these cameras and dishonest carriers would like them even less. It does seem a little over the top to me, but I suspect your conclusions are right.

        Life has certainly changed with social media and the ability to film every little event, which I don't paticularly like either. I can see the benefit in the case of an accident in which the carier was not at fault, but other than that, what is the point?

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