Is Pacific Tycoon a Scam?
One day, I was surfing the net looking for a hot new investment opportunity – a place to park a few thousand dollars and earn more money than I’d get in a term deposit or a savings account. I came across the website of a company called Pacific Tycoon.
The idea behind it is that you enter a booming industry by leasing high yield shipping containers to industries in Asia and elsewhere tax free. You buy the shipping container for USD $4100 and Pacific Tycoon organises transport of the container around in order for people to lease it. You can earn 12% of the container purchase price per year. The container belongs to you and has an individual number plate for tracking. It is registered in your name and is insured and you can sell your containers at any time.
Sounds really good doesn’t it? Shipping containers can last a long time (eg 20+ years), so you would effectively be earning $9840 (more than double) your initial investment over 20 years while holding insurance and some sort of asset equity. The idea is to build up a shipping container empire and rake it in! I was all set to go and was pretty revved, but had to check a few more facts first. What I found was quite surprising…
Of course, the first thing I did in January 2013 was Google “Pacific Tycoon scam” and up came 30+ search results, from Facebook accounts to forum posts, where some very strange things were mentioned.
Upon revisiting the same search again in September 2014, there seems to have been a number of remarkable changes made by Pacific Tycoon in response to the questions posed in the original search results for "scam".
For a start, there are far less of the original "scam" results featuring in Google search now, and the extensive Facebook page devoted to the nuts and bolts of the alleged PT scam (with photos of CEO Ted Mallory and the pretendy office) has been shut down. These have been replaced with company spin and infomercial articles on various different blogs and forums, which are usually the tactics employed for reputation management.
PT Website Changes
The logo has changed and the company has added some new credentials. There's also a new additional video ("Client Testimonials" and a photo stream has been added to the website. The impressive looking original video ("A Bit More About Us") has remained and is probably their best advertisement, though full of general industry-selling statements.
In the "A Bit More About Us" video, it states the cost to begin as $3900 USD, when the price is now $4100 USD, according to the "Your Lease" page. Obviously, whoever edited the original video to put in the new logo was not paying attention...and neither was anyone else, as this video is 10 months old, according to the date on Vimeo.
The new video, "Client Testimonials" has the correct price in it and revolves around a “Patrick Thorp” who strangely has no online profile (there is no Patrick Thorp anywhere in the world, according to Google), and a Mr David Waterhouse-Taylor, a company director from Bulgaria with 2 inactive companies and no active one. David Waterhouse-Taylor could also be a Suffolk native, according to Google search or someone who once posted an amazon review for men’s shoes. Or maybe he’s all the same person.
Mr Mohandas Gunasaram has a nursing home named after him, though he might have climbed out of the grave to write a testimonial for Pacific Tycoon in 2013. Two testimonials actually make sense and may actually be real people on LinkedIn, though I didn't bother contacting them to find out more. All testimonials are geared towards saying that the clients were satisfied with the communication of the team and that they all received payments quickly.
The Client Testimonials Video
The Customer Dissatisfaction Diagram
The Customer Satisfaction Diagram on the original site is now part of the "Client Testimonials" video. This was what first alerted me to the fact that all was not right with this investment opportunity (then later I found out the other stuff).
The customer service diagram shows that a clear 61% of customers rated the "overall quality of investment" as excellent, and were reaping the rewards. But I was shocked to see that only 43% of customers were happy with their level of returns and only 81% were happy with their payments. These figures have not changed from one year ago.
I just cannot understand the discrepancy – if it is as good as it seems, why aren’t 99.9% of customers satisfied with all parts? Or if some people had gotten their knickers in a knot over some small fees, why did 57% of customers rate their ROI as less than excellent?
I think it’s given me even more pause as to why a company would continue to publish this diagram with such controversial feedback in the first place.
One Dedicated 24/7 Account Director Per Client
OK, so Pacific Tycoon boasts “a dedicated 24/7 account director per client” who “assume all container operational duties” and "service your account in...all key international markets".
PT admits to having 70 employees (according to the Dun & Bradstreet Credibility Corp Report - see below) and over 400,000 containers. So let’s assume, as an average, each client has 10 containers (though that's optimistic at best, at $41,000 for 10).
400,000 containers / 10 = 40,000 customers
40,000 customers / 70 employees = 571 customers per employee. Does that sound reasonable for account directors assuming all container operations duties (ie organising moving containers around, leasing and selling them)?
Even if all of Pacific Tycoon’s staff (including the global contractors) were not involved in anything else but customer service, then:
40,000 customers / 168 global professionals = 238 customers per employee.
But wait, there’s more. Apparently there are only 7,200 container owners, according to PT's website. So this means that, if every person in the company was a customer service rep, there would be over 43 customers per employee and growing. And each client would own, on average, about 55 containers each (valued at $225,500 per person).
That is 43 customers that need paperwork organising and regular transportation of containers. So if we get rid of the CEO, the videographer, the web developer and the miscellaneous amount of telemarketers, then each employee is going to be kept rather busy.
What are your thoughts on this?
The "A Bit More About Us" Video
Website Accreditation Badges
There were no credentials on the original website when I viewed it in early 2013, but today there is. Pacific Tycoon is apparently a “Member of the Hong Kong Shipowners Association” (though they do not own or manage any ships to my knowledge) and a “Member of The International Association of Ports and Harbors (IAPH)” as well as being a credible corporation as rated by Dun & Bradstreet. If you click on the links in the footer on the PT website, it takes you to pages showing their membership.
Hong Kong Shipowners Association
The Hong Kong Shipowners Association has the purpose of “creating a forum for shipowners resident in Hong Kong” and welcomes “resident companies supplying services to the shipping industry”. They like to talk about marine equipment, ship managers, ship repairers, maritime laws and ship brokers. To gain membership, the requirements are that you must be a business registered with the government in Hong Kong, connected with shipping.
Business Registration With The Hong Kong Government
To register a business in Hong Kong, if you are not a sole proprietor or partnership, you must register within one month of business commencement. Pacific Tycoon may have done this, though not sure of their timeframe. For a start, you need to provide details of an eTAX account and make a payment – this means you would pay tax after registering.
Within the government Hong Kong database, they are listed as registering on 3 June 2011. Yet, their Dun & Bradstreet Credibility Report states that Pacific Tycoon has “been in the business of Shipping Container Leasing since 2003”. There is also a print screen (right) of a video from PT stating profit margins for clients since 2003.
International Association of Ports and Harbours
The IAPH membership for PT was established in April 2013, noticeably after some forum comments about PT not being an official member of any organisation. It seems that to join the IAPH, all you need to do is provide contact details, estimate how many tonnes are handled in order to calculate your own membership fee, nominate a port, pay and join. There doesn’t appear to be any other checks required by the organisation for membership.
Dun & Bradstreet Credibility Corp
The Dun & Bradstreet Credibility Corp report shows that the annual revenue for "managing well over 400,000 containers" is not known and that there are 70 employees. Since it also says that Pacific Tycoon has “been in the business of Shipping Container Leasing since 2003” I am curious as to why the business was registered with the government of Hong Kong on 3 June 2011. Does this mean they weren’t paying tax for 8 years? Shame, shame.
On the same page, Dun & Bradstreet state that Pacific Tycoon has been in business less than 4 years. Dun & Bradstreet advocate ”claim[ing] your profile” by getting a “D&B® Credibility Review™” to “enhance your online presence and credibility”, along with getting a “trusted D&B Credibility Badge on your website that links directly to your directory profile”.
Of course, registration is tax deductible and you get to add a description, logo, photos, videos and more. Kinda like an online telephone book listing that any business can register for as long as they’re prepared to pay. Seriously, how many real shipping companies need to have the Dun & Bradstreet credibility logo on their website to be considered “credible”?
In one of the photos published on PT's photo stream on its website, there is a photo of a shipping container with the Pacific Tycoon logo on it. This looks rather realistic. The shipping container has a BIC code, which is comprised of:
- an owner/operator code of 3 letters,
- a fourth letter used as equiment identifier
- a serial number of 6 Arabic numerals
- a seventh digit (check digit) providing a means of validating the recording and/or transmission accuracy of the data.
Example (theoretical- for a container): BICU 123456 5
This information was obtained from the Bureau International des Containers et du Transport Intermodal website. Its "mandate under the ISO and the WCO [is] to allocate and protect the ISO alpha code for the identification of containers in international trade".
The BIC code in the photo from PT is: MZCU4057216
When I enter it on the BIC website under "Registered Codes" page, I get "no code for this request". The same result is also obtained by searching for the BIC code: MZCU2849034 as per one of the other photo stream photos.
On the Pacific Tycoon website, in the FAQ section:
"Pacific Tycoon will not notify you of the whereabouts of your containers unless you specifically ask us. The deployment and use of your containers is a professional issue that requires day to day tracking."
Why wouldn't PT allow customers to type in a BIC code into one of the online databases (free to the public) to find out where their containers are 24/7?
Pacific Tycoon UK
If you need more convincing, check out Pacific Tycoon's UK website. Click on the "Container Owner's Association" badge on the top right and do a search for Pacific Tycoon. That's right, they're not listed in there at the time of writing this article (23/09/2014).
Website Photo Stream
In a bid to alleviate buyer concerns on scam forums about offices being rented temporarily to impress and meet with buyers (though this is a normal Asian business practice), Pacific Tycoon have published a photostream of just 12 photos on their website.
I’m not quite sure why a legitimate company would have a photostream showing multiple photos of one busy and one vacant office, a blank boardroom and a couple of shipping containers with bad BIC codes, but Pacific Tycoon really, really wants to emphasise the point that they have normal looking, populated offices for their business. They also wanted to show that they have a new logo sign on the wall. This was not on the old website, as a photostream did not exist on that site, though some entrepreneurial Facebookers got hold of some of the real office pics, which I have seen and which are now not available because the Facebook page closed, oh yes!
It is normal for Chinese companies to quickly rent office space to seal a deal, but it’s not normal to have multiple photos of it on a website for a "well established container leasing company", just to prove a point, even to Westerners. If the deal is really that good, word of mouth would suffice in providing squillions of new customers, without the need to respond to scam accusations in website forums by publishing a photostream on your website.
The Pinterest Page
I’m not sure what PT is playing at, but they even felt the need to start a brand spanking new Pinterest page, featuring “shipping quotes”. Now, what serious Chinese shipping company has to have its own Pinterest page on shipping quotes? That’s right – none, unless you are trying to manage a bad reputation and require backlinks to blogs saying you are brilliant, etc.
Apparently, they just started pinning one year ago (September 2013). Not many of the pins are original photos, they are all just pinned from elsewhere, apart from the company logo, some weirdo client testimonials and the photo stream pics from one year ago.
PT even had to comment on their own photos of their own client testimonials in a positive, but repetitive manner to drive their point home! Strangely, there are only 4 testimonials, 2 from one anonymous website, and 2 from another. Puts a lot of confidence into investing with them, doesn’t it?
Even funnier, under their “Shipping Industry Leaders” Pinterest page, PT could only boast of about 3 other companies not in direct competition with them, but couldn’t blow their own horn, even though they are apparently “leaders in container leasing” and blew their own horn with client testimonials and the confident videos on their website. Considering there are a few hundred Pinterest pins, I found it strange they didn’t blow their own horn more on Pinterest where it mattered (now watch for new pins appearing next year where they take my advice and blow a horn).
Not surprisingly, while the old “scam alert” articles are disappearing from the web, there are now some lovely new brief blog posts on related forums persuading potential investors that PT is a great company. Hmmm, smells like a newly hired reputation management company to me, now that the front page of Google has all these lovely reviews and PT personally took the time to convince Richard Giuliano on Facebook that they bought their own containers! Such unbiased advice!
According to an article on Ripoff Report, “.....A powerful sales pitch is to tell potential buyers to contact client references; i.e. those who already invested in PT, for opinions. In total, there are only 10 client references, who are victims themselves.They are kept happy, receive their returns from this scheme, and they are paid a flat fee each time someone agrees to buy after emailing/talking to them.
It is important to note that Ted Mallory has been hiring an IT company to *** and bring down websites with bad publicity about PT, and he successfully brought down www.absoluteinvestor.co.uk and www.boiler-room.orgs. At the moment this comment was written, www.absoluteinvestor.co.uk is up again but the discussion thread about PT being scam is still inaccessible, while www.boiler-room.orgs is still down.
When it’s impossible to bring down a website, PT lets its lawyer to contact the investment forum requesting comments to be removed, saying it is libel. Thus, many comments about the truth of PT by ex-employees on, for example, The Motley Fool were removed.”
The Scam Alert Forum Posts & Articles
OMG, there are quite a few of these and they are quite complex. I did a Google search for “Pacific Tycoon scam” to find out all the gossip.
One of them that I clicked at random stated that it was a Ponzi scheme based out of Saigon, Vietnam (hence the need for PT to have the question “Why are the terms Ponzi and red alert associated with shipping container leasing?” in the FAQ on the Pacific Tycoon website).
PT’s answer to the question says “Pacific Tycoon fields such industry slurs openly and transparently, hosting their retrospective performance data here: (links to PT website home page) and client testimonials here: (links to "Who We Are" page).
Well, all I can say is that anyone can come up with a few happy client testimonials on their website and can put whatever performance data they want when that performance data revolves around “Pacific Tycoon specialises in high yield container leasing, a booming industry that is demand led and propelled by 90% of world trade figure. Embedded amongst the growth engines of China and the East, we secure returns that are superior to top competitor indices year in year out. Watch our videos below to understand more” and the videos are full of fluff and no concrete client testimonials.
Ted Mallory is a strange CEO. I have a photo of him (right) that was originally published, along with some others on the now-defunct Facebook page.
Not only does he allow bogan photos of himself to be let loose on the internet (there used to be about 15 of them), but he personally responds as CEO to all customer complaints, according to an old forum post that was there in January 2013 but no longer is in evidence. I mean, he’s the CEO of a busy company with 400,000 shipping containers! What was he doing, personally responding to client phone calls in 2012-2013?
Would you invest in shipping containers with Pacific Tycoon based on this information?
- 17% Yes
- 66% No
- 16% Don't Know
I’m just an Aussie blogger. I am not affiliated with Pacific Tycoon in any way, nor have I purchased any shipping containers from them. I don't know Ted Mallory in any capacity whatsoever. I may be completely wrong about this company and you may think I have it in for them. However, in my experience, if there’s more than one forum post asking if a company is a scam, it probably is one and it pays to dig a bit before putting up your hard earned cash.
Not surprisingly, while the old “scam alert” articles for PT are busy disappearing rapidly from the web, there are now some lovely new brief blog posts on related forums persuading potential investors that PT is a great company and "The only thing that was for certain was that there was ABSOLUTELY NOBODY who had ever been ripped-off by Pacific Tycoon." (according to Benjamin Miller - see links below for real life examples of ripped off people).
Hmmm, smells like a newly hired reputation management company to me.
I have known quite a few scam companies in my time, and these kind of businesses respond to all forum accusations to alleviate buyer concerns instead of appearing to get on with their business, as well as providing legitimate reasons for people to question the company in the first place.
Forgive me if I am a little harsh in my investigative and opinionated analysis, but I want to share what I learned about this company on one page and present to readers who are sceptical what I thought about this company. Remember, it's not defamation or libel if it's true or even thought logically to be true. You, of course, are free to make up your own mind.
If you'd like to find out more about Pacific Tycoon and why it might be a bad investment, check out these websites.
1. All sorts of good information about PT in the comments on Tom Winnifrith's blog:
3. Kerry Williamson has questions about PT on LinkedIn:
4. Inside information on PT:
5. Another PT forum:
6. Person enquiring about PT:
7. A fraud investigators blog post about PT:
8. Article from the Sunday Star Times:
9. Department of Commerce WA Article:
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